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		<title>By: Judy Buckley</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbenefitsalert.com/holding-your-health-carrier-accountable/comment-page-1/#comment-6429</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have had pretty good luck for the most part with insurance claims. We have a long term relationship with excellent brokers. Each year, they go to market to get the best possible rates for us (not easy, since we&#039;re a mental health agency) and, importantly, I can and do tell the staff that if they run into any claims issues or access to care issues, to call on the broker directly and she will go to bat for them. Just had one the other day having to do with the dental insurance and making a waiver effective with the new plan year of February 1 - they wanted to make the change effective May 1 because they got the online info in April. But, they had gotten the written change form in March and our employee signed the declination in February. The broker got the company to change it to February. I have heard horror stories about a lot of different companies - cancelling coverage after approval, claiming a pre-existing condition, for example. Then the patient has to fight them. I notice the companies reverse course once something like that gets some publicity, though. Also, it is a great idea to share our experiences with one another. I belong to a local HR group and we meet regularly. Health insurance and all kinds of other issues are shared at those meetings. Good luck, everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have had pretty good luck for the most part with insurance claims. We have a long term relationship with excellent brokers. Each year, they go to market to get the best possible rates for us (not easy, since we&#8217;re a mental health agency) and, importantly, I can and do tell the staff that if they run into any claims issues or access to care issues, to call on the broker directly and she will go to bat for them. Just had one the other day having to do with the dental insurance and making a waiver effective with the new plan year of February 1 &#8211; they wanted to make the change effective May 1 because they got the online info in April. But, they had gotten the written change form in March and our employee signed the declination in February. The broker got the company to change it to February. I have heard horror stories about a lot of different companies &#8211; cancelling coverage after approval, claiming a pre-existing condition, for example. Then the patient has to fight them. I notice the companies reverse course once something like that gets some publicity, though. Also, it is a great idea to share our experiences with one another. I belong to a local HR group and we meet regularly. Health insurance and all kinds of other issues are shared at those meetings. Good luck, everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie C.</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbenefitsalert.com/holding-your-health-carrier-accountable/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually the HR person for an insurance &amp; claims processing company.  There are well ran insurance companies that work at having claims paid in 3 days -and that will call you back.  But there are also insured out there that do not read the Summary Plan Benefits manual.  There are also insured that are upset and bad mouth the insurance company and when you sit down with them you find out that their claims had been paid, no out of pocket money spent, they saw the doctors they wanted...  but you just can&#039;t make them happy.  Also, I know that SPD&#039;s can be changed - we have companies that have us change their coverage (SPD&#039;s) several times during the policy year.  Sometimes that big companies are well supervised and are great, I know my company is smaller so we have to work harder, smarter, cheaper and with a smile in our voice to stay in business.  So everyone out their - shop other brokers and administrators - their are good ones out there.  And don&#039;t always trust your agent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually the HR person for an insurance &amp; claims processing company.  There are well ran insurance companies that work at having claims paid in 3 days -and that will call you back.  But there are also insured out there that do not read the Summary Plan Benefits manual.  There are also insured that are upset and bad mouth the insurance company and when you sit down with them you find out that their claims had been paid, no out of pocket money spent, they saw the doctors they wanted&#8230;  but you just can&#8217;t make them happy.  Also, I know that SPD&#8217;s can be changed &#8211; we have companies that have us change their coverage (SPD&#8217;s) several times during the policy year.  Sometimes that big companies are well supervised and are great, I know my company is smaller so we have to work harder, smarter, cheaper and with a smile in our voice to stay in business.  So everyone out their &#8211; shop other brokers and administrators &#8211; their are good ones out there.  And don&#8217;t always trust your agent!</p>
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		<title>By: R. B.</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbenefitsalert.com/holding-your-health-carrier-accountable/comment-page-1/#comment-1529</link>
		<dc:creator>R. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the things I wrote about are not outlined, discussed, or in any way addressed, nor are they disclosed in the SPD or in the contract.  It&#039;s all about how the insurance company decides to process and administer claims.  It took a great deal of work to finally figure out what the insurance company was doing, which is what it sounds like Kelly has also experienced.  I think the more information that can be shared, the better off we would all be.  I do think the information needs to be region specific because I have also heard from others that BCBS in other parts of the country (west coast, for example) does a good job with customer service and in properly processing and paying claims (not a lot of hidden loopholes).  In my region, they are terrible.  I&#039;ve also heard a lot of horror stories about United Healthcare in my region.  But the idea of being able to share the information and creating a knowledge database and scorecard would be positive.  It might also put a little pressure on insurance companies to be more open about how they process claims and cause them to put more emphasis on customer service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the things I wrote about are not outlined, discussed, or in any way addressed, nor are they disclosed in the SPD or in the contract.  It&#8217;s all about how the insurance company decides to process and administer claims.  It took a great deal of work to finally figure out what the insurance company was doing, which is what it sounds like Kelly has also experienced.  I think the more information that can be shared, the better off we would all be.  I do think the information needs to be region specific because I have also heard from others that BCBS in other parts of the country (west coast, for example) does a good job with customer service and in properly processing and paying claims (not a lot of hidden loopholes).  In my region, they are terrible.  I&#8217;ve also heard a lot of horror stories about United Healthcare in my region.  But the idea of being able to share the information and creating a knowledge database and scorecard would be positive.  It might also put a little pressure on insurance companies to be more open about how they process claims and cause them to put more emphasis on customer service.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbenefitsalert.com/holding-your-health-carrier-accountable/comment-page-1/#comment-1509</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth of the matter is that, for the most part, benefits administrators/HR folks like us are going to get stuck with some sort of complaint(s) regarding health insurance.  The sad fact is that health insurance providers are now big businesses and want to profit as such.  Whatever happened to providing insurance with the main goal of helping people get and stay healthy?  

I have United Healthcare in my area (Northeast Ohio) and I can tell you that we&#039;ve had many frustrating things to deal with (NOT in the SPD - in fact, it&#039;s not about what is or isn&#039;t in the SPD/certificate of coverage, but how things change so often, you can&#039;t keep up and there&#039;s no logical rhyme or reason for changes).  For example, we&#039;ve had a high deductible health plan for 4 years now.  When we renewed this year, they told us that now, even after you hit your $2000 or $4000 deductible, prescriptions will no longer be covered at 100%.  Now, a co-pay will apply.  That was a hard enough pill to swallow (pun intended) - now you can be extend WAY past your high deductible limit.  Then, we find out that Tiers no longer bear a reflection of the type of drug.  In other words, just because a drug is generic, doesn&#039;t mean it will be on the lowest Tier/lowest cost.  How can you explain to a person that their generic drug is on Tier 3 - and has potentially a $60 co-pay?  Finally, and the worst of all, in this first year of having co-pays in post deductible situations, we&#039;ve had two people whose Rx have gone up in price!  Why? Well, we don&#039;t know the complete and final answer right now, but do know that the price of the drugs themselves haven&#039;t changed, but the &quot;negotiated&quot; rate they pay has a UHC member has been removed.  Now these people are paying 50-100% more for the EXACT SAME drug they were taking before they hit their deductible.  It&#039;s sad, rediculous, and really scary.  Whether or not our current issue is really just an error on UHC&#039;s part, look at how much control the insurance company has.  You are rendered helpless until they can &quot;get back to you&quot; - which is typically AT LEAST 30 days.

Now, we as administrators have to try to stay positive for our staff, who are in essence our clients.  But, when you see these absolutely crazy and illogical things happening, it leaves you little to go on.

The long and the short of it is if you think that healthcare is doing excellent, you are not seeing the big picture.  While you try to believe that the majority of your staff&#039;s claims are being handled correctly, when you see the blatant errors in front of you (or worse, when you see the absolute irrational decision insurers make, and disguise it as the convenient excuse of &quot;that&#039;s what your certificate of coverage now says, so there&#039;s nothing we can do&quot;) your good intentions turn into anger and disgust.  After you get over your feeling of either vomiting or crying, you try to go back to the employee and work things out as best as you can.  Again, if you think, as a whole, healthcare is fine and dandy - it is not!!! There is a huge mess going on - and if you are one of the few who have a limited experience with the errors, frustrations, etc. then count yourself lucky.  I hope you don&#039;t have to experience the absolute insanity that can occur.  

For those of you in the same boat as me, hang in there.  There are groups out there surveying for a better future.  You can make yourself heard - I asked just to take part in regular surveys, and now I get calls at least 2-3 times a year (hopefully my feedback goes somewhere, and not in the trash).  All we can do is push forward, and keep in mind that we are here to help our staff - and make things better, in our own little way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth of the matter is that, for the most part, benefits administrators/HR folks like us are going to get stuck with some sort of complaint(s) regarding health insurance.  The sad fact is that health insurance providers are now big businesses and want to profit as such.  Whatever happened to providing insurance with the main goal of helping people get and stay healthy?  </p>
<p>I have United Healthcare in my area (Northeast Ohio) and I can tell you that we&#8217;ve had many frustrating things to deal with (NOT in the SPD &#8211; in fact, it&#8217;s not about what is or isn&#8217;t in the SPD/certificate of coverage, but how things change so often, you can&#8217;t keep up and there&#8217;s no logical rhyme or reason for changes).  For example, we&#8217;ve had a high deductible health plan for 4 years now.  When we renewed this year, they told us that now, even after you hit your $2000 or $4000 deductible, prescriptions will no longer be covered at 100%.  Now, a co-pay will apply.  That was a hard enough pill to swallow (pun intended) &#8211; now you can be extend WAY past your high deductible limit.  Then, we find out that Tiers no longer bear a reflection of the type of drug.  In other words, just because a drug is generic, doesn&#8217;t mean it will be on the lowest Tier/lowest cost.  How can you explain to a person that their generic drug is on Tier 3 &#8211; and has potentially a $60 co-pay?  Finally, and the worst of all, in this first year of having co-pays in post deductible situations, we&#8217;ve had two people whose Rx have gone up in price!  Why? Well, we don&#8217;t know the complete and final answer right now, but do know that the price of the drugs themselves haven&#8217;t changed, but the &#8220;negotiated&#8221; rate they pay has a UHC member has been removed.  Now these people are paying 50-100% more for the EXACT SAME drug they were taking before they hit their deductible.  It&#8217;s sad, rediculous, and really scary.  Whether or not our current issue is really just an error on UHC&#8217;s part, look at how much control the insurance company has.  You are rendered helpless until they can &#8220;get back to you&#8221; &#8211; which is typically AT LEAST 30 days.</p>
<p>Now, we as administrators have to try to stay positive for our staff, who are in essence our clients.  But, when you see these absolutely crazy and illogical things happening, it leaves you little to go on.</p>
<p>The long and the short of it is if you think that healthcare is doing excellent, you are not seeing the big picture.  While you try to believe that the majority of your staff&#8217;s claims are being handled correctly, when you see the blatant errors in front of you (or worse, when you see the absolute irrational decision insurers make, and disguise it as the convenient excuse of &#8220;that&#8217;s what your certificate of coverage now says, so there&#8217;s nothing we can do&#8221;) your good intentions turn into anger and disgust.  After you get over your feeling of either vomiting or crying, you try to go back to the employee and work things out as best as you can.  Again, if you think, as a whole, healthcare is fine and dandy &#8211; it is not!!! There is a huge mess going on &#8211; and if you are one of the few who have a limited experience with the errors, frustrations, etc. then count yourself lucky.  I hope you don&#8217;t have to experience the absolute insanity that can occur.  </p>
<p>For those of you in the same boat as me, hang in there.  There are groups out there surveying for a better future.  You can make yourself heard &#8211; I asked just to take part in regular surveys, and now I get calls at least 2-3 times a year (hopefully my feedback goes somewhere, and not in the trash).  All we can do is push forward, and keep in mind that we are here to help our staff &#8211; and make things better, in our own little way.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbenefitsalert.com/holding-your-health-carrier-accountable/comment-page-1/#comment-1493</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all what your plan describes.  Perhaps you should read the SPD before complaining.  BC/BS in our area is doing an excellent job IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all what your plan describes.  Perhaps you should read the SPD before complaining.  BC/BS in our area is doing an excellent job IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: frustrated in Ohio</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbenefitsalert.com/holding-your-health-carrier-accountable/comment-page-1/#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>frustrated in Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of the same problems with Kaiser in Ohio.  They processed 53 claims wrong for one employee.  The employee over paid and has just given up claiming the money.  Kaiser has this 3 tier network with the HMO/POS/Out of Network.  Half the POS doctors do not know that they are in the Kaiser POS network.  So they tell patients that they do not take the insurance.

Then to find out anything you have to call 3 different places the Kaiser Customer service, the doctor network, and the third party administrator for processing the POS claims.  Any one of which can not give you the full story and if the employee does not ask all the right questions they do not get all the information that they need.  Employees are not supposed to know all the questions to ask that is why you have customer service to help them.

My employees get over charged constantly.  I sent so much time handling claims issue that I now have a Kaiser rep come on site once a month to handle these issues.  That has reduced the amount of my and my staff’s time on medical issues.  But it is frustrating to have employees complain that a spouse who is in a comma is moved to a Kaiser hospital in the middle of the night without family consent.  It takes 4 phone calls to find her and 3 days to get her back to her doctors.  Or that emergency room co-pay is $200.00 when in clear writing it is only $100.00 both customer service and my sales support staff kept telling me it was $200.00 and I had to ask to see it in print before they said sorry our mistake.  Yet the employee was being billed and threatened with collection before we got that straight.

I have volunteered to discuss my situation with my medical brokers other clients that are considering this 3 tier Kaiser, plus I belong to several networking and HR groups.  I tell everyone about my experience that is the only way we can make life easier for each other in HR.  Share the good and the bad information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of the same problems with Kaiser in Ohio.  They processed 53 claims wrong for one employee.  The employee over paid and has just given up claiming the money.  Kaiser has this 3 tier network with the HMO/POS/Out of Network.  Half the POS doctors do not know that they are in the Kaiser POS network.  So they tell patients that they do not take the insurance.</p>
<p>Then to find out anything you have to call 3 different places the Kaiser Customer service, the doctor network, and the third party administrator for processing the POS claims.  Any one of which can not give you the full story and if the employee does not ask all the right questions they do not get all the information that they need.  Employees are not supposed to know all the questions to ask that is why you have customer service to help them.</p>
<p>My employees get over charged constantly.  I sent so much time handling claims issue that I now have a Kaiser rep come on site once a month to handle these issues.  That has reduced the amount of my and my staff’s time on medical issues.  But it is frustrating to have employees complain that a spouse who is in a comma is moved to a Kaiser hospital in the middle of the night without family consent.  It takes 4 phone calls to find her and 3 days to get her back to her doctors.  Or that emergency room co-pay is $200.00 when in clear writing it is only $100.00 both customer service and my sales support staff kept telling me it was $200.00 and I had to ask to see it in print before they said sorry our mistake.  Yet the employee was being billed and threatened with collection before we got that straight.</p>
<p>I have volunteered to discuss my situation with my medical brokers other clients that are considering this 3 tier Kaiser, plus I belong to several networking and HR groups.  I tell everyone about my experience that is the only way we can make life easier for each other in HR.  Share the good and the bad information.</p>
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		<title>By: R. B.</title>
		<link>http://www.hrbenefitsalert.com/holding-your-health-carrier-accountable/comment-page-1/#comment-1487</link>
		<dc:creator>R. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to get the message out about BCBS (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and some of their less-than-stellar practices, at least in my part of the country.  I have never worked with an insurance carrier that generated more issues with claims payment than with this company...and that&#039;s saying a lot!  

To give you an idea of what they do, they pay out-of-network claims based on the rates they have negotiated with in-network providers.  Therefore, rather than basing the payment on a percentage of what is reasonable and customary for the area, they pay based on a percentage of the rate they have negotiated with network providers.  So they discount the allowed amount to mirror their network rate and pay the reduced out-of-network percentage, leaving the employee stuck with paying the difference.  And that overage...which would normally be written off by an in-network provider...comes out of the employee&#039;s pocket and doesn&#039;t count toward the deductible or the out-of-pocket maximum for the year. 

They also take a very long time to pay claims.  I have had furious, frustrated, distraught employees begging for my help with claims because they had been turned over for collection because the claim had been hanging for such a long time.  They seem to have the business philosophy that claims are to be paid only when some very tenacious people keep after them...and even then, they still don&#039;t pay some claims unless you go through the appeal process.  The last man standing wins and that is usually them and they know this will be the outcome if they just dig in their heals hard enough!

Another thing they do is process CPT codes differently than most.  One example I ran into has to do with a mental health benefit.  Every other company I had ever worked with prior to BCBS paid claims for medication management by a psychiatrist as a doctor&#039;s visit because no patient therapy was involved.  Only when actual therapy was involved (and it&#039;s a different CPT code) did the visit count toward the patient&#039;s allowed number of visits for a calendar year.  Not so BCBS!  They count those 10 minute office visits where the patient has to check with with the psychiatrist regarding their medication as therapy.  We were self-insured and couldn&#039;t even get them to change the way they processed these types of claims.  It was a nightmare!

I would love to see some kind of national survey and database where real administrators and HR professionals could weigh in on things like this to help others avoid some of the problems that have been encountered.  I think it would go a long way to drive better customer service and force some companies to act with more integrity.  As much as insurance costs, we shouldn&#039;t have to fight a battle to get the insurance companies to pay claims and take care of our employees.

Whew!  Now I feel better.  Sorry for the rant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to get the message out about BCBS (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and some of their less-than-stellar practices, at least in my part of the country.  I have never worked with an insurance carrier that generated more issues with claims payment than with this company&#8230;and that&#8217;s saying a lot!  </p>
<p>To give you an idea of what they do, they pay out-of-network claims based on the rates they have negotiated with in-network providers.  Therefore, rather than basing the payment on a percentage of what is reasonable and customary for the area, they pay based on a percentage of the rate they have negotiated with network providers.  So they discount the allowed amount to mirror their network rate and pay the reduced out-of-network percentage, leaving the employee stuck with paying the difference.  And that overage&#8230;which would normally be written off by an in-network provider&#8230;comes out of the employee&#8217;s pocket and doesn&#8217;t count toward the deductible or the out-of-pocket maximum for the year. </p>
<p>They also take a very long time to pay claims.  I have had furious, frustrated, distraught employees begging for my help with claims because they had been turned over for collection because the claim had been hanging for such a long time.  They seem to have the business philosophy that claims are to be paid only when some very tenacious people keep after them&#8230;and even then, they still don&#8217;t pay some claims unless you go through the appeal process.  The last man standing wins and that is usually them and they know this will be the outcome if they just dig in their heals hard enough!</p>
<p>Another thing they do is process CPT codes differently than most.  One example I ran into has to do with a mental health benefit.  Every other company I had ever worked with prior to BCBS paid claims for medication management by a psychiatrist as a doctor&#8217;s visit because no patient therapy was involved.  Only when actual therapy was involved (and it&#8217;s a different CPT code) did the visit count toward the patient&#8217;s allowed number of visits for a calendar year.  Not so BCBS!  They count those 10 minute office visits where the patient has to check with with the psychiatrist regarding their medication as therapy.  We were self-insured and couldn&#8217;t even get them to change the way they processed these types of claims.  It was a nightmare!</p>
<p>I would love to see some kind of national survey and database where real administrators and HR professionals could weigh in on things like this to help others avoid some of the problems that have been encountered.  I think it would go a long way to drive better customer service and force some companies to act with more integrity.  As much as insurance costs, we shouldn&#8217;t have to fight a battle to get the insurance companies to pay claims and take care of our employees.</p>
<p>Whew!  Now I feel better.  Sorry for the rant!</p>
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